LOL, what a funny description. I mean … why should a couple in marriage restrict their sexual lives to their spouses for e.g.? She will pout around the house, give you the cold shoulder, skip out on your dinner and just overall make you feel like crap. are you happy? She made a small fraction of what he made and was never appreciative for anything he provided...she basically wanted to live like a movie star. In reply to I'm probably somewhat unusual by West Coast rainmaker, WSO depends on everyone being able to pitch in when they know something. Having many children to build up a dynasty - and, taking on a woman to do all the grunt work. When I see statements like yours, I understand the appeal. Marriage statistics worldwide are generally unreliable due to the differences in which marriages are conducted due to culture and the speed at which they end and occur. How is that fair. If you agree with all the above, why not commit yourself to someone, but just not marry them? That concept is ridiculous to me. the first step is always doubt. Moreover, one ought to take action to test her personality. That's familiar..."Lets insult men into marrying us. And you are full of shit. AND she’ll accuse you of abusing the kids and get the kids and child support in addition to HALF and alimony. A lot of these points are subjective or vary couple to couple. – – – IF ever… because me and my gal do not believe all the force fed fairy tales of TV and bs lies. The social stigma attached to being unmarried is now all but nonexistent (especially for men). It seems like a waste of time and money and it's unnecessarily stressful. It IS pointless to marry if you are too immature and not financially ready, but then that goes for many things in life. For that reason alone, people shouldn’t be discouraged to marry. As for being “nasty,” I recommend looking for women that do not correspond to your meaning of nasty, whatever it might be. If you rich as hell and still work like crazy and want to have a hot wife, don't be surprised when you find out in few months/years that she is in it for the wrong reasons. I have hardened up, but I can still be emotionally wounded. Marriage is a massive scam especially for men. I am sure my children would prefer that I respect and care for my significant other far more before the title of marriage comes into the equation. She met "a guy" during the trip, and they had sex. I am a 45 never married with no kids (that I know of). She is a lazy slob that just sits around the house, eats, watches tv, and leaves me to everything else. You guys know how I feel about marriage from a practical standpoint: there's no percentage in it. 2.) My STBXW and I have been separated for about 10 months, but only actually living apart for 3. Sad and laughable at the same time. Slightly different but it produces the following behavior to optimize on their objective function: The problem is both groups ideal situation are mutually exclusive. In addition, those characteristics are not exclusive to women as men could be the same way and women overseas could be the same way depending on the woman. or Want to Unlock by signing in with your social account? I AM 5’3″ NATURAL BLONDE HAIR BLUE EYES 108LBS NO STRETCH MARKS FROM KIDS AND I HAVE NICE CURVES, HE TELLS ME I AM NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR HIM AND COMPLAINS IF I MAKE HIS COFFEE LATE OR EXT.. # EVERY MANS DREAM GIRL. My point is that it is perfectly feasible, albeit practically difficult, for a guy to have the best of both worlds. I haven’t been this happily in years. People have their priorities so out of whack it's ridiculous. Merely because half of the married couples end in divorce doesn’t mean you and your partner also have a 50/50 chance of making it work as well. You have to cater to the woman and make sure she is happy 24-7 or you are going to end up less happy than her. There is point in marriage if both couple are like minded and devoted to each other. I wanted to see if there was any prenuptial contracts that could keep my income to myself and not give it to the lady I might marry: NOPE, NO SUCH LUCK ! They forgot to add the Religious point of view for marriages in this article, millions of people are told to get married in the name of religion or because their religion advises them to procreate. From what’s happening nowadays American womanhood will have no choice. statement. Don’t get married trust me it’s a life long headache. During her last adulterous affair, she filed for divorce against me. right now it wouldn't make any sense for him to marry, had he found himself single, but it looks like he made the right decision 8 years ago. Once you’re married there’s nothing you can do if she isn’t happy. Life's too short to settle for a loveless marriage. That is your reason for marriage. Marriage, from a male perspective, brings with it a horrific rick to reward ratio. I hoped it was a phase but 9 months later still the same repulsive person. 5 – THE LAW: The law here in North America is so bad on men, it’s beyond belief! I wish everything could just stay the same way it starts… exciting, sexual, adventerous, loving, interesting. Society FAILS to take this into account, but instead is eager to enslave you into another routine and commitment, which is its function. Yet, if you found the right woman and treated her right, then you wouldn’t have to worry about divorce. When I think about her and being stuck with her forever I seriously get sick to my stomach. I, for one, interpret marriage differently for myself just as you and the rest of this board see it differently for your own individual person. You are making the rest  of us with “normal” wives feel like crap! Divorces are not cheap by any means, you have lawyer fees, court costs and then of course once it’s over the man still loses half of his assets. Get instant access to lessons taught by experienced private equity pros and bulge bracket she ask me to contact Dr Saibaba. If so ... http://www.amazon.com/Having-More-Fun-Than-You/dp/0061805211, In reply to James Hunt wrote: They’ll tell you who the real culprit is who destroyed their family. I think every man should get married once in his life. Again, if you choose the right partner wisely, you wouldn’t have to cater only to her to make her happy. 3:43. It isn't really the kind of thing you can quantify, just like you can't really quantify the "goodwill" section of a balance sheet. Yet, you provided absolutely no evidence that most of the women that file for divorce have cheated on their husbands. Moral of the story - no matter how long you've dated or how well you think you know her - shit happens. A marriage license or sacred ritual isn't going to prevent infidelity or abuse in a relationship. We lived in a no-fault state. Hey now, to me it sounds like something I can kinda relate to – being a young man driven in 180 degrees the WRONG direction by family, society, media.. By “wrong” I mean leading away from male sexual and life fulfillment, joyous meaningful living and freedom, I feel bad for this dude Robert, but I think he’s got the right spirit and sounds like he can make a turnaround. Companionship through life. In this case, you're not only satisfying yourself, but you're satisfying your partner and your family. 3 months later totally different person. Even in modern society I think the vast majority of people will be happier married. Now I'm not talking about when they're 18 am talking about when it two years old and they have a true mommy and daddy that are legally together. btw – I’m 43, never married. Had two kids with a woman he was in a relationship with. If you've got too much skin in the game, it just isn't worth the risk. You bring up good points and I'll address a few of them. By the time you get to my age almost everyone you know is married. They separate - she continues living in the house that Scott bought (with his money), while he is in a 1br apartment. In reply to its a wrong question on wrong by Don Corleone. Its nothing but a massive scam to trick men into losing everything they worked for. BETA FEMALES don’t need to argue to justify their wanna-be Alpha sisterhoods actions – it just doesn’t work that way and no man wants a life long whore unless she’s going to specifically be his whore… only. Treat a woman with respect and one does not have to worry about divorce ? Never cheated on her once. Contemporary humanity no longer wants to do that, and we also don't really psychologically understand such a desire any more; so when we occasionally encounter traces from history which reflect that desire, we interpret them as strange and pointless. Why would any want to wake up next to the same annoying person day after day while you watch them sleep and plan their demise? Anything sooner is too risky. All you want to do is wear something a little more comfortable then a monkey suit and have a damn beer, but that’s not even close the way it goes. This is not a joke. Marriage is for suckers and it’s nothing but a massive scam for men. Yet, the claim did always exist not to have sex until married to prevent this possible “problem” from occurring. If you're looking for a succession of semi-long-term relationships (i.e. The risk/reward ratio is horrific, which is why I can't recommend marriage to any but those whose sole focus in life is children. #3 The injustice argument that is most familiar and has been around the longest: Marriage is not so great for women. I personally tend to date people on the lower end of the income scale - teachers, artists, nurses (actually not that bad), etc. There's a reason they call it wed-"lock". Weddings are planned that few really want to attend; pointless dresses are worn never to be seen again; awkward family photos are taken. My feeling is that, if you feel like you must have a pre-nup, don't even think about getting married. I got married once and that’s it no more. Yet, because not everyone is the same, marriage can “complete” someone as a person. Norms of society have brainwashed us into believing that our life is not complete until we get married and have a house with a white picket fence, a minivan, and bratty kids who will likely grow up to be average at best. Wow, I must be the only woman out there that is 150% into sex… I have no qualms about giving my guy head, in fact I absolutely LOVE it. And for the happily-married couples who have been together forever, had they decided never to get married, they’d still be together. ‘v been down that road 3 times and I will not ever go down that road again, Their is so amny women out there I can choose from but not for a wife only for sex and sex it is. You think it will complete you as a person – All I can do is point and laugh if you think this is what it takes to fully grow up. You usually don't have that much in assets anyway and it sets a really bad tone. You feel like you’re at that age – So many guys will simply say screw it let’s get married because they feel like they have reached “that age” and it’s “the thing to do.” Well that’s just rubbish! No. however a lone life is bad as well…. My guess is that these two people should not have been married, not just to each other, but to anyone. It says Men want to marry more than women. Great post, have this argument with my girlfriend every so often. Congratulations on 8 years, seems like you're able to keep together a successful career and a family, which I think is the hardest part, so that's awesome. One day, a process server arrives on his doorstep. Yes. There is one huge caveat - get a FUCKING prenump. It’s basically institutional “slavery” ! “Once again, Awwwdrey, you’ve been reading too many feminist comic books. now thats “God” damn brainwashing! But to be safe don’t get married in this fucking piece of shit country. By the way, I'm only 25, so take it with a grain of salt. And chances are, if she knows you could go right back out on the market at a moment’s notice (i.e. This thread got a lot more responses than I might have guessed. Full database access + industry reports: IB, PE, HF, Consulting, 25k Interviews, 39k Salaries, 11k Reviews, IB, PE, HF Data by Firm (+ more industries), All-access Pass: All Interview Courses & WSO Services. (marriage = fidelity/monogamy). Personally the idea of it just makes me tired so I'm passing on it for now at least. If the law allows women to get divorced for any reason, then women will divorce for ANY reason. See my essay about why jobs, marriage, children and mortgages take away your freedom and enslave you: http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10855. Hey internet porn is free these days, no need to drive to the video store like a chump, That being said, and I know of what I speak, it’s probably better for men of any age to avoid the porn as much as possible, or altogether, If you want to live your best, manliest, most exciting, energetic, and sexual life possible, that is. What is the incentive? 9. And getting shackled to a bad partner is worse than not being married. Rubbish! She called my bluff and said she'd sign it, so I let her off the hook. It's not like this was a big surprise to those of us who knew them. I believe that if you get married, you are entering into a contract and she deserves half (provided the marriage lasts a decently long period of time). I’m not sure which fools actually think that will happen but believe you me they are out there. Yes. It takes real cojones. The actual social construct of marriage is not a creation of women but rather a compromise. The over/under for divorce was set at 2 years. Who knows, maybe someone will come around and blow me away, but it hasn't happened yet. Listen to Tom Leykis and some of the radio callers. I will not bring children into a world with an energy difficant future as we see in the tv show Revolution, It was a complete sudden stop in my life when my relationship with my fiancee came to a halt without any reason and he said that he has fallen for someone else, it was Dr. Eziza who helped me get back my fiancee with a love spell and now we are happily married, thanks a lot Dr. Eziza. Either of those could apply to Scott as well. And guess what, yep more money. For those who worried that their wives are after their wealth, you should choose a wife after some time together not as a spurt of the moment because she's a great f**k. Why do you think so many marriages that start in early 20s actually survive? I'm confident that anyone can make a full commitment to someone without the title of marriage. Long story short-go through the rigors of divorce and paying a ton of cash every month cos I have a flourishing career by God’s kind grace and even then her hunger for more money seems insatiable. In free for all (and even many polygamous) societies, what tends to happen is that the 'alpha-males' (probably not you) monopolize all the women, and a bunch of lonely, pissed off betas have no incentive not to engage in murderous, antisocial behavior (no stake in society). Here's one last thought I have on the matter, that I've come to by discussing it with close friends, who've shared stories of their friends with me, similar to those posted above: people getting married right out of college and way to early in my opinion. My original intention was to just share a different view point. i Don’t fraking think so. I have discussed the idea of an engagement watch many times with my fiance and she loves the idea. He told me by two days he will re-unite me and my husband together. (and you can even assume a good % of cheating don’t bring life to same children so more then -let’s say 70-80% of pepole- is not faitful) if i go with a hooker i use a condom, end even if she have pest i don’t catch it,if you go bareback with your wife,well…. Whether you believe in religion or not, marriage is a life event that pre-dates recorded history. This thread has exploded with opinions, so I'll keep mine simple. The exact reverse happens for women. Yes I believe marriage and kids go hand in hand and if you don't plan to have kids then marriage might not make that much sense. As for not having to worry about divorce if you treat your woman with respect, it’s not “sad” and “laughable” Brandon; it’s pretty much true if you chose the right woman. Scott's wife has accused him of battery and assault, and has filed a restraining order against him. By the way, just as a disclaimer: the Catholic Church does not teach that marriage is exclusively for making babies. I am the son of parents who married at 20 and divorced after two years. lol. Two companies can do business together and not merge. So even in a world where we have paternity tests and child support, we still have thousands of years of history with the institution of marriage. A male on the other hand wants to part with only the resources required to ensure his children's survival (could be no resources) and move on. Another thing if your wife didn’t cheat on you or if she did and YOU are the on to have caused her to cheat, then in God’s eyes you are still married, and are cheatig on your lovely wife. Marriage actually sucks if you look purely from legal/financial standpoint. Think about it people the man got a solid ass raping in divorce court and lost everything. If you absolutely must live with a woman, in the same house, and live life similar to that of being married, And especially if you want to have children with that woman; then your only option for doing so is to leave the country and live with that woman in her country and have your children over there. stress to something that’s good. Agreed. In reply to This thread got a lot more by 2x2Matrix. For decades, too many women have been running around expecting chivalry from us, money, compliments, holding doors, etc., but not willing to give much in return. So my choice is not to have longer than 2 month relationship and then end with being friends. so you can reward or punish any content you deem worthy right away. If she complains that it’s not enough, then put your foot down and tell her she’s free to move on if she wants, and it’s safe for you because she cannot go after you for more money because there’s no proof you were supporting her in any way. In reply to blastoise wrote: Does Society mean old boring married people to you? How would you have it all back in a couple years? All joking aside, though, is marriage dead? That's actually not accurate. That is my reason why I don’t plan on getting married. Society made me feel I was living an empty or ‘shallow’ existence………so I dated for 3 years and got married. Children are fantastic (…well mine are), but if you ain’t got them you dont know better, and the world doesn’t need more people. “The American father is never seen in London. I mean there’s obviously a focus on it and we are brought up believing that’s what we’re supposed to do, but why are we supposed to do it? The average cost of raising a child from birth to age 18 is $250,000, yes you read that number right. He laid out some of the reasons. This was my first and ony std I have ever had. I feel sorry that you think that way about marriage. If a girl started dating a guy at 26, dating for five years is kind of risky -- what if he doesn't end up proposing after five years? “The reality is this: In order to “improve your ability to find the right woman”, as you put it, a man would have to not only be a mind-reader, but also have full access to said woman’s past history.”. If you are independant (ie own job & home) there are no advantages to marriage, only disadvantages unless you marry for the money and intend on taking the other person to the cleaner, one would question why or why bother… Live in your house, enjoy your friends, go out, travel and fuck hard (casual sex can be crazy). My wife and I have been married 8 years today, and we've got two great kids and a fantastic family life. Well then you know how nerve racking it can be at times. Depressed, in debt, and unemployed. GET A FUCKING PRENUMP. Another friend of mine has been involved with someone for more than ten years. Not all women have harpy personalities, nor are they liars. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO GROW UP ! And one cannot swear an oath to love only one person for the rest of one’s life, anymore than one can swear to like only vanilla ice cream for life. I've been in a relationship for a few years now and we cohabit. If people’s brains were “washed” they would be “clean”! do you even know the full meaning of this words? Better than nothing. I've even survived a few ultimatums thus far but I have no real hope that I can last indefinitely without getting in the line to lose half my shit. Most of my friends (girls) make either equal or more money than the guys. Eight times as many children are born out of wedlock in America today than were in 1960. Until the laws are changed to make it fair men in America will not get married at all. Woman might feel bad too during the relationship. These days marriage it self is pointless to me, though I'll probably get married at some point cuz i have a feeling most women I'm into want to get married so fml. Why? Some people were not ‘destined’ to mate with another individual of different gender. Women have the uncanny ability to hide their harpy personalities, and appear all sweet and caring, until shortly after the wedding, when it’s too late (for the man), and their true selves start to emerge.”. MEN…….. You bring by veritas14. The reason divorce is so common is because people so commonly marry unwisely and choose the wrong partners. As for me, I got married when I was 24 and have been married for more than 10 years. You can live a very full and fulfilled life without ever being married. Guys who bitch about the financial risk of marriage are either idiots who fail to understand how qualitative factors have value; or they married worthless gold diggers because that was all they could get. Buy the Boycott American Women eBook now for just $4.99: http://www.lulu.com/product/ebook/boycott-american-women/16690691. 3.) Companionship. I think that if and when you know, you just know! 7 reasons marriage will be dead in the 21st century Sex is taken care of and hassle-free open relationships are quite appealing. It really seems like a crapshoot in the end because it's not just about being with someone you love but finding the person you can grow with instead of apart in life. Despite that, if the love for each other truly exists, more reason exists to stay together other than the sex. Marriage is not a trap invented by woman. 10. It is a good thing. you date someone for 3 years and then she moves on because you won't marry her), you're eventually going to end up old and fat and with only gold-diggers to choose from. I was in the anti-marriage camp for a long time, and if I didn't want to have kids I don't know that I would get married. For men who want to have children and start a family, there are 2 sensible and logical options open to them now: Option A) Get a few pets for companionship, and then buy eggs from one woman and hire a second woman as a surrogate mother to bring the children to birth (that way she cannot claim the children as her own because they are not her eggs.) My response was to your P.S. When you married your wife you gave up everything. It’s just some sad shit! While i appreciate the point that you are making i must respectively disagree. Did you not read the whole article, If he is living in a western society Divorce will screw him up financially.. Poor bloke might end up homeless… of course u and i dont know his financial situation but I personally knew a person who lost literally everything only thing his wife let him keep was his 1990 ford pickup truck, last I saw him 5 years ago he was living in a trailer park with some woman. 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